They will also slap down lighter game like deer, feral hogs and black bear with authority, of course. The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. You can start with the 6.5mms. I say that because so many reasonably successful yet hard kicking cartridges have been introduced in the last few years. of muzzle energy. Don't like Rugers much had my fill of them and now they are gone down the road. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. It was recovered in bits and pieces. I have built all 3 several times for various customers and owned both the 358 Norma and the 9.3X62. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. PerH AH fanatic Joined May 8, 2021 Messages 536 Reaction score 813 Location Norway Articles 2 Jun 4, 2021 #5 ), but with considerably less recoil. Oklahoma. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. Not only that, many different bullet moulds were made for casting .358 bullets in some of the most fanciful shapes. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. We owe a debt of gratitude to the engineers at the British firm of Holland & Holland; though it is lost to history who exactly designed the belted magnum cartridge, the .275 and .375 Holland & Holland Magnums were game changers. Most ammunition makers have a 200-grain load, and Remington also has a 150-grain load with a muzzle velocity of 2300 f.p.s. Thanks for any thoughts. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. The better ones create mild gallery or small-game loads that are economical, quiet, virtually without recoil and best of all a lot of fun to shoot. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. For a while Savage chambered it in the Model 99, and I am still looking for one I can afford. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. The .35's are just plain superior for CXP3 class game. An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. A medium variable in the 3-9X or 2.5-10X range should be enough scope for elk hunting. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. The Newton was supposedly loaded, by Western Cartridge, to 2,975 fps with a 250-grain bullet, but I, for one, would want to see the chronograph reading. And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. The .35 Whelen fires a larger .358 bullet and is therefore right at the cusp of being a big game caliber and is capable of handling everything except . And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. It can work in close or at a distance or dazzle you with footwork. The .358 Norma Mag. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. You bet they worked! That being said, with much wider availability, and the higher . Can't really imagine one cartridge doing anything the other couldn't, though the availability of bigger bullets and way more factory ammo (if wanted) are definite pluses for the Mauser. Among my own favorites for the .358 Norma are the Nosler Partitions in both 225 and 250 grains, Swift A-Frames (225, 250, 280) and various Woodleighs, including the unique 310-grain Weldcore. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. Spl. But there is another Rigby cartridge, vastly overlooked even among rifle cranks, but which was at one time as popular as the .375 H&H Magnum: the .350 Rigby Magnum. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. In any mass-production rifle, either the .375 or .338, or both, will be found as a standard chambering. Tried and true. Quite a difference! Not so the .358 Norma. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. In an age of ultra-specializatio in every field, and especially rifles, such versatility is almost an anachronism. That year, Remington also brought out the Model 673 Guide Gun in .350 Rem Mag. Released in 1959though there were no factory chambered rifles or factory loaded ammunition available for the new cartridgeNorma offered chamber reamers and new component brass for its new brainchild. Heeding the advice of American friends, Kvale worked on what would become the .358 Norma Magnum. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. can drive the same weight bullet a bit faster. was introduced in 1955. If you match the bullet to the game, this is one of the all-time great hunting cartridges. It, as you know, can be loadeddown to be a 35 Whelen but the reverse is not true. 10 GA. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. Real world, the Norma bitchslaps brown bears and moose as convincingly as the 375H&H. It was predictable that the .356 Win. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Reloading Centerfire Ammunition: Tips For Getting Started, Shooting and Loading the 6.8x43 mm Rem. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs. lbs. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. I have one, and I like it a lot. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. The .358 Win. Also, the 35 Whelen will not do much that your 350 and 358 already do, if anything. The .300 Rem. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. Got a nice .270 Win MTN Rifle donor 700. As Ive said, I like mediums, such as the unpopular 8mm Remington Magnum and the faster .33s. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. How it would have done on a live animal is impossible to say. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. Out of stock View Details . Then come the .270s. Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. The Swedish firm of A.B. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. In 1987 Remington made an honest cartridge out of the .35 Whelen. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. Mag. The .358 Norma Mag. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. So, if you have an interest in carrying an ultra-rare cartridge of impeccable pedigree, you either roll your own or have someone load it for you. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. The 338/06 when compared to the .35 Whelen only beats it with the lighter bullets and not by much. But they are not essential, and despite their effectiveness, all magnums from .30 caliber upwards generate more recoil than many folks are comfortable withand are able to shoot well. And the hunter must have full confidence in his or her choice. The .357 Magnum revolver cartridge has also gained considerable popularity as a combination rifle/pistol cartridge and lever action rifles for the .357 Magnum sell pretty well. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. As a comparison, the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps delivers 25.4 foot-pounds of recoil from a 7.5 pound rifle. Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. The major problem with light loads is getting enough pressure to provide a good gas seal. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. The .358 Win. Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. I believe in quality optics, but quality and magnification are not synonymous. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. I bought it as a moose rifle but never got drawn in ten years. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. it is one nice gun and made for tight places. On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. They are a little short initially and after two firings they were just fine. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. Like most of the children of the Holland & Holland parents, the .358 Norma uses its shoulder for headspacing, rather than the belt, as do the .375 and .300 H&H. Not necessarily top dollar everything. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. it is complicated further by a requirement for different burning rate powders. Here the elk offers hunters an advantage because the vital zone, like body size, is at least twice that of any deer. Of them all the one I still have is the 9,3X62. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. i have a 35 whelen and love it. Essentially a .338 Magnum with a bigger mouth, the .358 Norma can push 250-grain bullets faster. Hunting Shack 358NORMA2N Game King 358 Norma 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. The .35 Rem. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. Any desire to hunt African dangerous game with your medium bore? With such a wide range of both cast and jacketed bullets available, and todays variety in powders, the .358 Norma has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to load possibilities. Elk bullets must be tough enough to provide adequate penetration. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. I have a .356 Win. Give a Gift I believe it never will. Mag. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. For example, take the most powerful of the factory standardized .35's, the .358 Norma Magnum. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. To return to our boxing analogy, the .358 Norma Magnum not only has the Hammer of Thor, but it also offers an excellent jab, a good hook, a wicked uppercut and a variety of feints. The Hornady Superformance load for the .35 Whelen launches a 200-grain bullet at a blistering. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). .35 caliber rifle cartridges have been around practically forever without ever really becoming popular. In addition, for stopping the big predators of the world, it's hard to beat a suitable .35 caliber rifle. At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. Movement is more random in big country. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. Common loads fire a 200-grain bullet at 2,800 fps (about 3,480 foot pounds of energy), a 225-grain bullet at around 2,600fps (3,380 foot pounds of energy . On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. of energy at the muzzle. from my E.R. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. Whelen would not. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. The .358 Norma can be loaded down to duplicate the performance of either of the two smaller cartridges. Have all three, and have not shot any of em My medium is a 9,3x62. Most Professional Hunters agree that a bullet with a S.D. And for the larger antelope species, like any of the eland, wildebeest, zebra and roan, the .350 Rigby Magnum is a sound choice. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. In 1968 the 600 Magnum was replaced by the Model 660 Magnum, which featured a 20-inch barrel, but it was never a big seller, and Remington dropped the rifles. pushes a 200-grain bullet to just more than 2000 f.p.s. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. My vote is for the .35 Whelen. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. The .35 Rem. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. Between the .25s and the .35s are dozens of cartridges that are versatile and suitable. R Rocky It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. 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Here in North America, you could take the .350 Rigby anywhere youd take the .35 Whelen or .358 Norma Magnum, and that includes north to Alaska for the great bears. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. Around eight pounds set to go is a good compromise. It was verry expensive to shoot, lots of powder and expensive bullets and brass. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. G. Joined: Sep 2009. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. 1 Item (s) Show per page. but it does have the 22" barrel and the irons , looks and feels like a MTN rifle to me. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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